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| Lately, the SIYE Staff has noticed a new trend among fan fiction authors. More and more, authors are hurriedly writing a first draft for their fic or chapter and then publishing it along with a promise to "revise later" or "post the betaed version soon." I am going to be blunt about SIYE's opinion concerning this. We don't like it. In the real world, what you turn in to your editor, professor, teacher, etc is the final draft. What you post on any fan fiction archive should be your final draft as well. Not only that, it should be a good final draft. If an author wants as many reviews as possible, they should put their best foot forward to begin with. People are not going to give reviews for "revised chapters." In fact- they probably aren't going to go back and read those revised chapters to begin with. Why should they? Every single day, new authors post new stories on this archive and others. The competition for attention is stiff. There is an abundance of fics clamoring for a reader's attention. If it's apparent that an author has not done their best, the reader will move on to another story which has been written with care and revised before posting. It is in the best interest of any author to make a good showing from the very start. I apologize if you are offended, but really- I and others don't really think that there is a good excuse for posting rough drafts. Therefore, if the archivists get the impression that an author has been sloppy, or has not run a spell check, or knows that there are problems that can be fixed, they will very likely ask the author to revise their story and resubmit. That doesn't mean that we don't like you or your story. Far from it. If we didn't care, we wouldn't bother. For those of you who need help or advice, I direct you to our Beta List which is located in the "Extras" section of this site. Every single person on that list is eager to help you as are the SIYE Staff and Administration. RS/LD- Head Administrator, SIYE |
| Lord Dreadnault on 2006.01.26 - 02:33PM () |
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bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 05:27PM to say:
I second the motion; I was getting tired of reading pieces that were obvious first or rough drafts- I'm not going to name names, but, without even having to think too hard I can think of two of the worst offenders.
Now, I'm not saying that we need to have beta approval and posting like they do over at Checkmated; for an archive of this size, that would be a foolish move, but, personally, I would like to see in the submission guidelines a rule for a minimum level of grammar and spelling- not to mention canon mistakes. And I'm not talking A.U. material here; I recall- painfully- one case where the author went from "45 Privett Drive" to "54 Private Drive" in less than 1000 words.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 06:37PM to say:
I'd quite like to see some sort of "Errors we won't tolerate" guidelines - if they're told beforehand they shouldn't have any trouble fixing them before they post their epic story about "Macgonagall" visiting "'Hermy" at "Privett Road".
PhoenixLament came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 06:45PM to say:
I find the easiest way to edit or revise would be using Microsoft Word if you have it, run it through the spell check numerous times, as well as grammer. Though even spell check occasionally misses things...
bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 07:57PM to say:
You don't even need that; minor errors- like something I myself have done from time to time, i.e. defiantly instead of definitely- are reasonably ok.
The major pains in the butt are ones that, if they were read aloud or dictated, you would be sending the speaker in for speech therapy. Actually, that's probably a good test criteria...
Anyway, I completely agree with this statement; more than once I've read a fic in the validation stack that just made me cring, but I couldn't reject it outright, as we have, as Torak put it, no "Errors we won't tolerate" guidelines, but I couldn't bring myself to validate it.
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 08:04PM to say:
I am not the perfect speller in the group either. What I did was write all the names of everything in Harry Potter's world and ensured it was accurate. Then I ran spell-check. If it thought it was an error, I added it the the dictionary. The next time I spelled it incorrectly, it was corrected.
Professor Scroll came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 08:16PM to say:
With today's word processing programs, spelling errors should be outdated. Proper spelling is just a "click of a button'. We also have a wonderful list of Beta's to assist anyone that asks for help.
Grammar mistakes on the other hand can sometimes be more easily forgiven. For many of our authors - English is a second language. I applaud and commend them. I wouldn't want to try to write a story in another language with what I remember from my studies.
For the author who doesn't have enough pride in his work to spell words and proper names from the Harry Potter universe correctly, I can only shake my head. You have the imagination to dream up and write a story, but then, you can't be troubled to do a little bit of research. It doesn't make sense. Why waste your time with a shoddy effort? If you can't be bothered, why should we help you maintain your mediocrity? The answer is ... We won't! We want you to excel. Good, quality stories are what make SIYE exceptional.
potterfan226 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 08:17PM to say:
I agree with this. I dont like reading stories full of grammar where they spell Gryffindor wrong. Like c'mon. But I will admit, SIYE was the first ff site i ever posted on so I never used a beta; I didn't like them at the time. I liked things done quick and my way at first. But now I run spell check like a billion times that i literally get sick of reading that chapter over and over again. So My stories [on SIYE] are pretty crappy at the moment when it comes to grammar and spelling. I know forsure the only HP cannon words i definatelty spelt wrong was "Auror" at first, by putting an extra "r" in it, and "Finnigan" by spelling it "Finnegan" but thats a common mistake. I see it all of the times. So yeah, I agree with this ... rule/guilde line thing.
cori_b came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 08:22PM to say:
another thing I think we should point out is the layout of the story. Seriously... its hard to read when there is no spacing between paragrpahs and dialog. Jsut a side note.
LadyTonks came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 09:55PM to say:
LD:
Sometimes, you just have to tell it like it is. I do know some people who have been avoiding SIYE because the submissions as of late have been lack luster. My humble suggestion would be to keep the HP Lexicon listed on your favorites, as it is the perfect place to check out any HP fact or spelling. The link is http://www.hp-lexicon.org/. Here's to better quality fanfic! LT
takon65 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 12:33AM to say:
I'm a 'budding author' on another site. I would love to post here but the process of doing so confuses me a bit. (I'm semi-computer illitrerate.)
I applaud Lord Dreadnaults post. I have been avoiding SIYE stories other than by authors I know well due to that very reason. After seeing Herry, Hary, Ran and Rin (we won't even mention the misspellings of Hermione) in one chapter of a fic I made that descision.
I am not perect in either spelling or grammar, but spell check is my friend. With MS Word, even though I don't agree with the grammar changes, you have a rough idea on that as well.
Thank you for listening to my rants.
Takon
Lord Dreadnault came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 01:49AM to say:
One of these days I'll try to explain for general information the best way to format the basic fan fiction. :) Thanks!
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 06:32AM to say:
When I see an unspaced submission in the stack, I tend to just go through it and space out the paragraphs anyway; after all, it doesn't affect the story, it just makes it easier to read.
But I don't share this enthusiasm for spill chuckers - they won't catch homonyms, for instance, and they won't spot anything wrong with sentences like "Dumbledore was loosing his petients", which, as someone said on FAP, "sounds as if he's running an asylum and just let the inmates out."
Spenser Hemmingway came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 09:24AM to say:
With my own Americanisms I was closely examined with my work. This did not bother me under the circumstances, or in that context. Regardless, proper work gets proper attention. We write for our readers, and this is the primary consideration, especially when we are promoting our Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hertmione message. Eric B. (I'm tired of Japan...burgers...steak...)
lbfan came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 01:01PM to say:
This is the Deal. What inspires me is telling a story. I know my writing is awefull, and so far, I have been going through beta-readers like I go through underwear.
I have lost patience with the process. If readers are so turned off by my cannon, grammar and spelling errors, then throw it into a special catagory called garbage. As for readers, If you don't like a paticular story, read someone else's.
It is perfectly fine with me I you kick me off the site. I don't have to post. Personally I don't want to degridate the quality of your site.
On the otherhand, I have learned so much from my wonderful beta-readers. I have spent hours writing and proof reading, and it is because of them that I have improved the quality of my writing.
I personally don't want to turn away readers with my mistakes, but using volunteer beta readers would stretch out the progress of this story for months.
I just want to write. -- lbfan
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 04:24PM to say:
I'm not sure what to make of Ibfan's post. While the attitude is disconcerting, you're quite clearly making an effort to improve your writing, and that's commendable.
If you like, send a chapter my way - ideally as a Word document - and I'll go over it for you, see what your main problems are and give you a hand sorting them out.
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.27 - 07:11PM to say:
Ibfan - I have to agree with Torak. The more you write and the more you work with betas, the better you get in the long run. As you learn from your mistakes, you will make less of them.
bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.28 - 09:42PM to say:
Just a thought that came to me when I was- don't laugh- washing dishes. As I commented before, for many of the fics that this post applies to, it's obvious that they're first/rough drafts, that the author didn't bother to go over them even once before posting. So my thought is this: If you can't be bothered to look over your own work at least once, why should you expect anyone else to?
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 01:42AM to say:
bibliophile raises an excellent point.
You should go over your own work, even if you've got a beta. Because if you won't go over your own work, why would anyone else?
I could say that everyone should read their own work, for non-grammatical reasons, but then I'd be a hypocrite. I can't read my own work, I suppose there are a lot who can't.
I admit that on several occasions I've rushed a chapter without sending it to my beta. But I've read over my chapters looking for mistakes when I haven't sent it to my beta. And the only reason I hadn't sent it to my beta was for differences in time zone and his own busy schedule.
It should be noted, however, that I don't believe I've ever gotten a spelling/grammar complaint.
But as the others said: I'd be glad to look over your work if you need it, Ibfan.
All you need to do is ask.
Spenser Hemmingway came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 05:30AM to say:
Some excellent input here. I'll need to finish reading the comments when I can stay on line for more than five minutes. Quality isn't hard, but dealing with the lack thereof can be sometimes. I finally got my steak over here...we had a three-star general dining in our mess hall last night. Five more days. Eric B.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 07:41AM to say:
I always read over my stuff, usually several times. Then if I get bored a few weeks later, I read it again for fun. The only reason it works is because I've got a lousy memory..
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 10:44AM to say:
Hi All. I've been having a difficult time digesting all of these comments I been reading. I have 10 stories posted on SIYE. And they all have my name at the top as the person who wrote it.
When I write something, I try to think it through. Once a chapter is completed, I re-read it a few times, picture the events in my mind, run spell-checker and grammar-checker through it a few times, and them I send it to my betas asking for them to look it over. Not every beta I use is sitting at home waiting for my latest chapter. Nor do I expect it to be sent back to me in one day with all errors corrected. If my betas tell me they can't get to it in a reasonable time, I have my girlfriend and co-workers read it over a break. One time the entire break room was beta-ing one of my stories. I had three copies floating around.
There is no story or chapter written and posted on SIYE that had to be there 3 seconds after the author wrote it. This is a recreational site and there are no deadlines for any author, Challenges excluded.
So, by the time one of my stories is posted, I have done just about everything possible to produce a quality product. You may not like one of my stories, and that's okay. But you will find very few errors in any of them.
As I said above, it's my name at the top. And the quality of the story is a reflection of me. If a story has spelling errors, grammar errors, formatting errors, doesn't flow well, etc, etc, then that is a good, or bad, reflection on the author. And I try to keep my name in good standing with my readers.
There is absolutely no excuse for, "Herry sat down next to his favorite Griffander girlfriend and pul his arm around him."
AdminQ came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 11:21AM to say:
As an archivest, I agree with this 100%. I will reject stories, and have done so in the past for just this kind of issue.
I also ask the author, if they would like help with it, as I am willing. My opinion is it take just a few seconds to find someone and ask "hey can you look at this?"
explosionsinthesky came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 11:23AM to say:
I completely agree with Sir Ollivander. Although I haven't been on this site too long, and I only have two stories (one uncompleted), I am not new to reading fanfiction and writing. A few years ago, I frequented FF.net for all my fanfiction, but now I no longer go there simply because of the lack of quality for most of the fanfiction. I frequent SIYE because the quality of fiction here is much better, though there are certain authors whom I've kind of attached myself to.
As an OCD author, I read and reread through my chapters each time I finish and still, many mistakes remain. When I started here, I did not consider the use of betas. I now have two betas, one on another site that requires a beta and one I have off of Perfect Imagination. One of them is very accepting and lax on certain corrections, but the other returns my chapters each time covered in red marks. Both have helped me greatly, and neither of my betas take too long to go through the story. I have gotten e-mails from both my betas apologizing for being slow with the betaing, to which I've all replied for them to take their time. Personally I feel no hurry to immediately post something, because, unless it is the best I can do, I don't want to post it just yet. Yes, immediate gratification in the form of reviews are important, but really, I love constuctive criticisms much more than a simple "LOVED IT. UPDATE." Not to say I don't appreciate all my reviews.
There is absolutely nothing wrong to write just for the sake of your own enjoyment of writing, but to post a story without having read through it yourself is just impractical and discourteous. As an author, wouldn't you want to post your best work possible? Wouldn't you want to make sure that you research all the characters thoroughly and have all the Briticisms right? I read through HP lexicon and HP books and editorials several times before daring to write a new theory. You would never want to turn in a college dissertation full of mistakes and errors without having read through it twice. Then you should treat writing and posting fanfiction no differently. If you really cared that much about writing and fanfiction, you shouldn't care too much about how many reviews you get or how much time it takes for it to be posted. By the time you post, you should have made sure that it was the best you could do, no?
Just my opinions. :D
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 02:44PM to say:
It's threads with comments like those above that make me really glad to be on SIYE.
I think it's a self-perpetuating cycle; people know that any work posted here will be of a certain minimum quality, and that leads to authors taking more care, which in turn brings in more quality authors. And that, boys and girls, is why this is the best HP fanfic site on the net.
bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 03:12PM to say:
So, now the question is: can we go back in the archive and do a bit of housecleaning? There are several fics that I would dearly love to see resubmitted after heavy beta work...
But, alas, I know that this isn't an option. Once a story has been accepted, it's in.
Professor Scroll came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 07:26PM to say:
Maybe not housecleaning, but if the reader would write a tactful but true review of the story instead of - It was nice, hope to see more of this story - the author might get the point.
Start with what you liked and then give good positive criticism. If no one criticises how is the author going to know what he or she've done wrong. I rarely leave a review without pointing out something. But I always offer a solution to any problems that I see.
Add to that, you can change that little ratings box. Just because it starts at 10 doesn't mean that you cannot change it. How many times have you read a review that said - your story was very hard to read because of spelling errors and formatting - only to find the reviewer still presented the story with 5 stars?
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 07:50PM to say:
I tend to use the system I'm used to from school; 6 is a pass, 10 is the best imaginable, 1 is pretty abysmal. I mostly hand out sevens and eights, I've given four nines, and I have yet to award a ten. Nothing's perfect.
bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 08:40PM to say:
I've given six tens that I can remember- I guess I have lower standards. Aside from that... mostly 7s through 9s, and four Ones. Three of those were anonymous, though; after the first time I said, "well, you need to fix here here and here," I got flamed and decided to play it safe afterwards.
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.29 - 10:42PM to say:
I wish we could just go back and mention that some writers need to beta their work. But even if you tell them in a nice, constructive way, they still find a way to copy and paste an answer. Torak, I believe you know the problem of which I speak.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.30 - 12:38AM to say:
Ooooh yes, I know it all too well. Some authors consider anything less than fawning sycophancy to be brutal flaming.
Professor Scroll came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.30 - 09:34AM to say:
It sounds as if many people don't know the difference between 'brutal flaming' and 'constructive criticism". I always thought that a 'flame review' meant cussing or derogotory remarks aimed at the author themselves. for example This story is *&^$%#$( and you are a *$@#@^) would be my definition of flame. To say, Your story has a lot of errors,. Please check the spelling before posting. harry should be capitalized as it is a proper name. Voldermort is misspelled and you need to add punctuation before you post your story. I for one won't be reading any more until I hear that you've found a beta and edited your work. in my book is not flame, it is constructive criticism..
bibliophile19 came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.30 - 10:35AM to say:
But, you see, the thing is is that you're reasonable; many people aren't.
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.30 - 09:32PM to say:
I have always thought that if someone puts up something for review, a story in this case, they better be responsible for all the replies they get, whether it's polite, correct, or not. Unlike SIYE, the world has no rules that say if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all. Too many people get offended when their piece of trash is not treated like gold. Not everybody is going to like your trash. And I am not sorry for it. Try writing a book and selling it. Not everybody is going to buy it.
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.31 - 08:32AM to say:
PS: And SIYE is NOT going to lower its quality standards to accomodate any author who is too lazy to review their own story for the most simplist of errors. -Tom
ironau came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.31 - 11:12AM to say:
I don't write in this forum, but does SIYE do anyting to promote beta reading?
Can a new author find betas here?
Is there a link to someplace where they can find betas?
Do you allow authors to post a file in a "beta" state where they can notify their betas to review it, but the story isn't available to mass consumption?
All of the points above a very true and valid. Since it is such a valued corner stone of the community, you should do more to promot it, then enforce a draconic policy of removing stories that don't meet your standards. Remember that some authors may be quite young and stil in their early teens. They may not have the grammar skills needed to write at the level you desire. Some authors may not have a social network that includes people capable of beta reading their story sufficently, and this site has the power to make those types of introductions. you can do more than gripe. Look at mediaminer.org's review process. they have the review rated for different categories, including spelling and grammar.
Also remember that by it's very nature ALL fanfiction is AU, It is only a question about how much it varies from cannon; not a question of if it varies from cannon.
Professor Scroll came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.31 - 12:03PM to say:
Dear Ironau, I'm sorry that you feel that everyone is griping as opposed to being constructive. I believe that there are many positive comments under this forum.
In every letter to a budding author, I for one suggest contacting a beta. I even supply a few potential names trying to match the level of writing to someone who can help. However, that doesn't mean that the author will do anything with the information. For some reason, many of these young author's fire back an email saying things like, "I just like to get the story down.' ... "I don't like using Betas, they point out too many mistakes.' - "You're being mean. I don't understand why it has to be perfect.' Unfortunately, believe it or not, I have received all of these excuses in the last month.
Yes, SIYE does promote beta reading.
Yes, we have a Beta Registry under Extras and will supply other alternatives if the author requests them. In addition, all of the staff will help any author that asks.
No, we do not have a file in a "beta' state where they can notify their betas to review it, we expect the author to be proud enough of their work to contact one or more of the betas prior to submitting the story.
Young or not, if they have the will to write a story, then they should have the pride of ownership to ask for help, instead of whining when a reviewer tells them that they have errors.
Valerie
ironau came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.31 - 12:12PM to say:
I know I was unaware of that, and I am glad it is there. Maybe on the story submission page an obvious link to the beta listing would help to promote their use.
Professor Scroll came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.31 - 12:33PM to say:
That sounds like a good idea. I have forwarded your suggestion in an email. Thank you
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.01 - 01:28AM to say:
Didn't know there was a beta link on this site. I'll have to check it out since my un-beta'd attempts at writing aren't too spectacular in the grammar aspect
(or in anything else). I also would like to add to the reviewing point. Mauthors get angry with critisism in any form in reviews, but that isn't the worst part. The problem is the reviewers who write a comment that does the author no good at all, and don't even ajust the rating slider. Is there a point to this, I don't think so.
For anyone who heaps pleanty of critisism enjoy my two ficlings and suggest all you can in your review to help my writing please (keep up the good reviewing as I know you are Torak :).
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.01 - 02:22AM to say:
Hehe - yup, for effective criticism you can't beat my reviews! :-D
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.01 - 08:10PM to say:
Then send some my way, O Critical One. I could use some further dissecting of my grammatical faults.
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.01 - 10:13PM to say:
I'll have to turn up the heat on reviews. I'm getting soft sense most of you write better than me, but if I see any mistake I don't have a problem being hypocritical(?).
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.01 - 11:59PM to say:
"Hypocritical" is correct, yes. :-D
And Phoenix, you asked for it... be afraid, be very afraid.
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.03 - 09:08PM to say:
I'm shaking in my little space boots. Bring on all the criticism you've got-- Just don't destroy my fragile sense of being moderately okay.
-Tyler
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 02:18AM to say:
BWahahahahahaaa!
:: boots up napalm and wrecking ball ::
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 03:15AM to say:
My money is definitely on Torak.
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 03:20AM to say:
I just checked to see if Torak reviewed PA story yet. He didn't despite his threats. Next post of Fates Debt you better write a review Torak, otherwise I'd be very dissapointed with your behavior.
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 03:20AM to say:
I should've written PA's story, oops. Just one of my many mistakes.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 06:09AM to say:
Oh, it's on my to-do list. Just a bit busy with my challenge entry at the minute.
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 02:12PM to say:
All that I ask, Torak, is that you don't review the next chapter (XVII) because I really think it's by far the worst I've ever done.
So read the others, they're a more accurate representation of what I can, and usually do, do.
Good luck with that Challenge entry-- I thought about trying to write one, but I never really got any good plot ideas.
Quiverring in fear,
PhoenixAeternum
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.04 - 02:25PM to say:
Oh joy, I'm a challenge judge so Torak's should be a most interesting read. I'll be sure to muster up some critizism.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.05 - 06:24AM to say:
Phoenix - if I managed to write an entry for an angst challenge, I'm sure you can... :-)
Spenser Hemmingway came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.05 - 06:45AM to say:
No z in criticism. I am finally home from writer's hell in Japan. In Tokyo, I was able to pick up the British publication of the first two books for the plane ride and I couldn't believe the differences form Scholastic's American edition. I am especially glad now that I introduced my Spenser character to write for me, since some of my Americanisms are profound. I didn't realize that it could be spelled realise for example. If I ever Beta someone, I will be able to set my spell-check to U.K. English if needed.
As for the Challenge...the next week is for time with my family after that separation, but also for writing, reviewing and one other little project. Loony (my six-year-old daughter) has helped me with a couple interesting ideas. Eric B.
Sir Ollivander came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.05 - 02:59PM to say:
Spenser Hemmingway - "I think we must expect great things from you-," Eric and Loony, now that you are back with us.
ChickenIsGood came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.05 - 07:39PM to say:
I figured out that realize thing this week also. I kept reading a fic and realize was spelled "realise" and it was bothering me. I also lack knowledge of the language of the Brits.
Go Americanisms!
PhoenixAeternum came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.05 - 09:20PM to say:
Bah! Eric, you have caught my spelling error! How dare you?
Oh well.
I've gotten a review on FF.net blasting me for writing 'realize' as 'realise' before. I didn't have the heart to tell the guy that it was intentional, so I just ignored him.
I am determined to get the British editions of the whole series... but it is really hard to pull off when you lack money and would have to get them shipped from six thousand miles away.
-Tyler
xbecause_of_youx came out of the woodwork on 2006.02.07 - 04:07PM to say:
i have to admit i am one of the people that hand write it, but i feel if i dont it will be a jumbled mess. unlike what some may do i really do take the time to make revisions and change was i think sound completely stupid. why do you think it takes me about a month between chapters?
even though im roughly new to this i get the point. no one wants to sit and read garbage that hasnt had the author hasnt spent time looking over... that clearly says the author doesnt care.
Torak came out of the woodwork on 2006.01.26 - 04:35PM to say:
Hear hear!
Does this mean we can start declining stories on grounds of "The author obviously couldn't be bothered"?